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Pawn Boys Week 9

00:00:05 Dennis Duce: Yeah. Welcome.

 00:00:08 Ryan Minor: Is this week nine?

 00:00:10 Dennis Duce: No, it’s week something a whole lot more than that.

 00:00:12 Ryan Minor: Oh, okay!

 00:00:13 Dennis Duce: I don’t know. I’d have to check.

 00:00:13 Ryan Minor: What, did you lose count?

 00:00:14 Dennis Duce: I’d have to look at the spread sheet. So, um, we are live again from Lightning Pawn, Pawn Boys. We have a special guest here, Tim…

 00:00:25 Ryan Minor: Tom Timothy.

 00:00:25 Dennis Duce: Tom Timothy. Tim, Tom, Tom Timothy. Um, maybe I’ll get by the end of the show. Tom is an expert and collector of Winchester Guns. He has brought in four that are not for sale, and we are going to take a look at a Winchester that Ryan has recently taken in as well. We are also, we have our first remote guest for this show, ever, Rhonda Green.

 00:00:49 Ryan Minor: Hey Rhonda!

 00:00:52 Dennis Duce: Rhonda, are you there?

 00:00:55 Rhonda Green: Hey guys!

 00:00:56 Ryan Minor: Woo! There she is!

 00:00:58 Dennis Duce: Can you hear us Rhonda?

 00:00:59 Rhonda Green: Yeah! Can you hear me?

 00:01:01 Dennis Duce: Yep, we can hear you fine. So, Rhonda is going to help us with a new little project. We are going to start taking things in and pawning, giving valuations of things right here during this show.

 00:01:18 Ryan Minor: Yes.

 00:01:19 Dennis Duce: So, Rhonda has hopefully got something that she is interested in finding out what the value is of that item. So, what I want to do is start off with that. I have got a couple of things that I want to pawn, too, and these aren’t things like, Kirk Sherrod’s buffalo head.

 00:01:33 Ryan Minor: Buffalo head, which I still have by the way.

 00:01:37 Dennis Duce: These are things I actually do want to see if you want to take, so. We are going to go ahead, though, and start off with Rhonda, Rhonda. What do you want to show Ryan, that he can give a value on?

 00:01:54 Ryan Minor: Test me. I get tested a lot. I know a little bit about a lot of things, so.

 00:02:00 Rhonda Green: I have some glassware that …A little bit about a lot. There you go. I have…This belonged to my mom. It is like a cream and sugar pitcher glassware.

 00:02:18 Ryan Minor: Okay. Alright.

 00:02:19 Rhonda Green: Like that. And I just dropped the lid. There we go.

 00:02:24 Ryan Minor: Worth instantly less, right?

 00:02:25 Tom Timothy: It just went down.

 00:02:27 Rhonda Green: There we go. One piece down. There we go. Um, so I wouldn’t ever part with it. But, I’m just wondering.

 00:02:38 Ryan Minor: What a value might be. Now, Rhonda, is there, is there a brand that you can see on that crystal? Um, maybe on the bottom, bottom part of the glassware?

 00:02:53 Rhonda Green: I don’t see one.

 00:02:55 Ryan Minor: Okay, do you know, do you know, can you tell me maybe a brief history about it? It’s obviously been in your family for a little bit. Is it something your mom got at some point, or for a gift? Or…

 00:03:09 Rhonda Green: I’m not sure where she got it from, but I do know that she had it, I mean, it’s been with us since I was born.

 00:03:16 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:03:17 Rhonda Green: It’s definitely…I’m gonna tell my age. It’s before ’73.

 00:03:19 Dennis Duce: So it’s about fifty..

 00:03:22 Ryan Minor: Did you hear that?

 00:03:27 Rhonda Green: It’s before ’73. Yes.

 00:03:30 Ryan Minor: Alright. So, it obviously means a lot to you, right, something that you have.

 00:03:35 Rhonda Green: It does.

 00:03:36 Ryan Minor: That you want to keep.  You know, obviously it looks more on the vintage side, and vintage things are obviously in right now. People like to put them around in their house and they’re great for decoration, and so forth. Um, with it not being branded, what I mean by that, if it is not made by a company like Swarovski, or Waterford, or any of those higher end crystal companies, that might, that type of branding adds value to an item like that. I know Tiffany and Company put out some glassware like that, that has quite a bit of worth to it. Um, but based on just a looks alone, I might put something in my store for sale like that for probably $40.00 to $50.00 for the pair and hopefully somebody would see it and appreciate it and buy it. That’s something that you know, in my store here, that’s something that you see quite a bit of. I like to take the things that are, I don’t know people like to look at. It’s not just the normal things you see in pawn shops like DVD’s and electronics and guns, although, I do like guns as well, but I like taking kind of the weird, and the unusual, and the things that people really come into pawn shops to see. Now when people come into my pawn shop, they always comment that your pawn shop is unlike any other pawn shop because you do have these things in your store. So, I would say, I would be more apt to take an item like that than most people that you would bring that in to. Just because I like the kind of the abnormal and the weird and that type of stuff. I see that value in that type of thing. So, I would say $40.00 to $50.00. I would probably put that out for you. I would expect somebody to pay maybe half of that, and I know that, you’re not looking to sale it, and especially for that amount, right? Or, you could send it out to us. That’s fine. I’ll send you a check.

 00:05:36 Rhonda Green: Nah. It’s priceless, I’ll be keeping it, but. It’s just fun to find out what it was worth. Thank you for that.

 00:05:45 Ryan Minor: Yeah, it’s very neat looking stuff and I’m glad you got stuff. I mean, I think it is cool that people have that type of stuff that they hold onto and cherish. That’s great, great stuff. So, thank you! Thanks, Rhonda. I appreciate you bringing that on.

 00:06:00 Dennis Duce: Okay, Ryan

 00:06:01 Rhonda Green: No, thank you!

 00:06:03 Dennis Duce: We’ve got three customers in here right now. It’s getting pretty crazy around here. Um, so, I am going to let you go do pawn stuff for a little while, and I am going to talk to Tom about guns.

 00:06:14 Ryan Minor: Okay. Alright!

 00:06:16 Dennis Duce: So that you can do your job.

 00:06:17 Ryan Minor: Take it away!

 00:06:19 Dennis Duce: Join us back if you can.

 00:06:20 Ryan Minor: I will.

 00:06:20 Dennis Duce: We’d love to have you back. Alright, so, Tom, how did you get into, first of all, your interest in antique guns, and is it all antique guns, or are you Winchester only?

 00:06:31 Tom Timothy: No, I like all guns. Mostly antique guns. I like Winchester’s Marlin’s, all sorts of antique guns. I like all antiques. But, I started probably twenty years ago and got interested in and went to a gun show, and they just kind of went from there, and I started collecting and it is a lot of fun.

 00:06:54 Dennis Duce: Hey Rhonda, let me ask you, with them talking in the background, are you able to hear what he is saying?

 00:07:03 Rhonda Green: Yes.

 00:07:04 Dennis Duce: Okay. Alright, good deal. Okay. So, let’s go through some of the guns that you have brought in that you have collected over time.

 00:07:13 Tom Timothy: Okay.

 00:07:13 Dennis Duce: Talk about what they are, and…

 00:07:16 Tom Timothy: I brought four guns here today. They are model 1885 Winchesters, it is the first patent that John Browning sold to Winchester, was the 1885 Single-Shot Filing Block. It’s my favorite gun to collect, I brought four of them. I have bought three High-walls and one Low-wall, the difference between the High-walls and the Low-walls is the size of the frame as you can see. Low-walls have smaller frames, High-walls have a bigger frame. Usually, the high-walls are the bigger caliber guns, but not always. They have made almost every caliber that you can imagine in a High-wall. Usually, the highest I have seen on a Low-wall is a .38-40. These can go .45, whatever caliber that you can imagine, they have made in a High-wall, so. But they have also made High-walls in .22 calibers.  I have got some that are .22 Center Fires, .22 Winchester Rim Fires. Does that answer that question?

 00:08:26 Dennis Duce: Oh Yeah.

 00:08:27 Tom Timothy: These three guns here is like I was telling Ryan, in the Madis Book of Collectors, they only made 148 of this particular gun because if you can see, it has a 36 inch long barrel. That’s the longest barrel Winchester ever made and they only made 148 of them and I have three of them.

 00:08:46 Ryan Minor: So, on this program, you are seeing one of 148 rifles like that made.

 00:08:51 Tom Timothy: And in the gun business, that is not very many.

 00:08:54 Ryan Minor: Oh yeah.

 00:08:55 Tom Timothy: It’s like Ryan said. He likes unusual, rare stuff that’s what determines a lot of value on guns. Is how rare they may be.

 00:09:03 Ryan Minor: You were mentioning something about calibers. A lot of these, a lot of these calibers, are they more oddball calibers, calibers that you will not see in guns sold new today, that Winchester put out with some of these older guns?

 00:09:19 Tom Timothy: No, not necessarily. Not necessarily. I don’t know how to answer that question to be honest with you, because they do make the same calibers today.

 00:09:31 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:09:31 Tom Timothy: But, for example, here’s the answer to that one…Yes. This particular gun right here, it is a .25-20 single-shot caliber. Now, you have .25-20 caliber guns and they are and they are .25-20, but this is a .25-20 single-shot, so if the bullet actually is a different from a .25-20. Is that making sense?

 00:09:54 Ryan Minor: Yeah. For sure.

 00:09:56 Tom Timothy: It’s hard to find this ammunition. I have got two boxes of it, and it is real hard to find.

 00:10:01 Ryan Minor: Now, do you fire any of these guns?

 00:10:03 Tom Timothy: I’ve fired every one…Well, I haven’t shot this one yet because the boxes that I got for this are collectible, they are unopened.

 00:10:09 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:10:09 Tom Timothy: The worst thing you can do with antique ammo that’s sealed is open it up.

 00:10:12 Ryan Minor: Right. So, is that with guns I know, especially with the antique guns, being able to actually fire the gun and use the gun adds to the value of the gun. For example.  If you were to bring a gun in like this, and knowing that it doesn’t fire, it’s not going to be as much as something that would fire.

 00:10:33 Tom Timothy: I as a collector don’t want it.

 00:10:34 Ryan Minor: Yeah, exactly.

 00:10:35 Tom Timothy: So, yeah, but…

 00:10:36 Ryan Minor: Okay.

 00:10:37 Tom Timothy: Just, yeah, that helps a lot in the buy. They have to function right. These are very hardy guns, very strong actions. You won’t hurt these guns by firing them.

 00:10:47 Ryan Minor: What is it about…I know you collect all sorts of guns. Now, you have bought a couple of guns from  me. Matter of fact, one of them was not a Winchester.

 00:10:55 Tom Timothy: It was a Whitney.

 00:10:56 Ryan Minor: Yeah, which is a cool gun. It’s a really neat gun, and you still have it. And you are first and foremost a collector versus a gun dealer.

 00:11:01 Tom Timothy: Right. I am not a dealer. I mean,  I have sold some to buy more valuable guns, you know, my interests have changed over the years.

 00:11:09 Ryan Minor: I do the same type of things with bikes. I like buying and selling bikes, because it supports my habit in getting new bikes. And so, it is kind of what Tom does, is he buys and sells guns and it kind of supports his collecting habit, right?

 00:11:22 Tom Timothy: Yeah, it does. Yeah.

 00:11:22 Ryan Minor: What is it about Winchester specifically that you love?

 00:11:28 Tom Timothy: Well, it’s a name. It is a name. It’s highly recognized. It is most recognized name in firearms that there are is Winchester’s. Now, I also collect Marlin’s and my personal opinion is, is Marlin’s are every bit as good a gun as Winchesters around the turn of the century. The age of these guns right here. But they don’t, but the value is not there as the Winchester just because the name. But they are every bit as good as the gun, but they are starting to catch up now.

 00:11:55 Ryan Minor: Okay.

 00:11:56 Tom Timothy: But Marlin in my opinion after the turn of the century when they got up to the ‘30’s and ‘40’s and ‘50’s, they really cheapened up their guns and in my opinion, the Marlin’s of that era are junk.

 00:12:07 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:12:08 Tom Timothy: I don’t care for them.

 00:12:09 Ryan Minor: So, up ‘til now, it is not…okay.

 00:12:12 Tom Timothy: But at the turn of the century, they competed. They were made in the same place, New Haven, Connecticut.

 00:12:17 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:12:17 Tom Timothy: Competed very well. Uh, Marlin’s, I like Marlin’s but the name Marlin, you probably got ten Winchester collectors to every one Marlin.

 00:12:27 Ryan Minor: Right, I’ve never heard of a Marlin Collector. I have heard of people that like Marlin’s, but I don’t think I’ve heard of a Marlin Collector.

 00:12:31 Tom Timothy: But there are some. There are some but not like Winchester.

 00:12:34 Ryan Minor: Right. So,

 00:12:35 Dennis Duce: I’ve only heard of the fish. I didn’t know there was a Marlin gun.

 00:12:38 Ryan Minor: I have one back here. We are trash talkin’… Yeah, this is a Marlin. A Marlin .38 W.

 00:12:44 Tom Timothy: To me, one more look at this gun, it is a good shootable gun, and stuff like that. if that’s what you want it for, but to me, just the visual part of.

 00:12:52 Ryan Minor: Oh yeah, just looking at both of the guns, I am just. You know, I don’t mind a Marlin. I have shot Marlin’s, I have shot Winchester’s, but just looking at the two guns, how they are made and the machinery, and just really how they look, there’s a night and day difference.

 00:13:07Tom Timothy: Oh yeah. The wood’s bulky. It ‘s not…why didn’t they finish that off?

 00:13:11 Ryan Minor: Right, right.

 00:13:12 Tom Timothy: You know, but it is a very good, functional gun. Now, I will say one thing about Marlin’s as far as case coloring. Do you know what case coloring is? Case hardening.

 00:13:20 Ryan Minor: Uh, explain that.

 00:13:22 Tom Timothy: Okay, case hardening is where they harden the case of metal up here. Okay?

 00:13:25 Ryan Minor: And they do that just by some sort of process. Right?

 00:13:27 Tom Timothy: Yes, some sort of process. I don’t know the process, but it is some sort of process. But you can see when this was case colored, it came out very colorful. Okay.

 00:13:35 Dennis Duce: Well that’s beautiful.

 00:13:36 Ryan Minor: Can we  get that closer to there?

 00:13:37 Dennis Duce: We’ve got to get this closer, especially for you, I mean, okay. I gotta explain. Rhonda is a steampunk artist. Okay? So, if you don’t know what a steam…Do you know what a steampunk artist is, Tom?

 00:13:48 Tom Timothy: I have no idea.

 00:13:49 Dennis Duce: Okay, a steampunk artist takes Turn of the Century things and makes them kind of fancy and new, so she does jewelry and things. So things like this, if this gun was not working, and had no more value, this would drive her completely nuts! Can you see the coloring there, Rhonda?

 00:14:08 Rhonda Green: I would completely take it apart, Dennis!

 00:14:10 Dennis Duce: Is that amazing patina or what?

 00:14:12 Tom Timothy: Rhonda, don’t take this gun!

 00:14:15 Dennis Duce: But, if this gun was one that, for some reason was not collectable…

 00:14:21 Tom Timothy: Yes.

 00:14:21 Dennis Duce: And yet this was the way it was, that is what Rhonda would go after. You don’t take apart stuff that still has value that’s Turn of the Century. You take apart the things that, as a complete piece, are no longer valuable. Correct?

 00:14:35 Ryan Minor and Dennis Duce: Like old watches…

 00:14:37 Ryan Minor: And stuff like that.

 00:14:37 Dennis Duce: things that are broken, and stuff like that.

 00:14:39 Ryan Minor: After the show, I’ve got a box full of that stuff.

 00:14:44 Rhonda Green: Send it on! Right now, Dennis, I am actually wearing a bike gear from Jerks Bike Shop.

 00:14:51 Dennis Duce: That’s a Jerks Bike Shop bike gear piece.

 00:14:54 Rhonda Green: Yep. There it is.

 00:14:55 Dennis Duce: Kirk sent.  So Kirk actually introduced Ryan and I. So, that’s, yeah, that’s how I ended up with Ryan as a client. But, um, yeah, so that is just I mean, I am going to put that back up there again. This is just amazing color. Being a copper artist myself, um, I love that patination that’s on there. That’s just amazing. I would spend hours trying to  make that look like that.

 00:15:23 Ryan Minor: Now, Tom, can you show us the difference between your mentioning before, that you have got an example of a Winchester high-wall and a Winchester low-wall. Can you show us  like a visual example of what that means?

 00:15:37 Tom Timothy: This one’s a high-wall. This one’s a low-wall. The difference between this is the size of the frame. Okay.

 00:15:44 Dennis Duce: Size of this piece right  here?

 00:15:45 Tom Timothy: Yes. That’s called the frame.

 00:15:47 Dennis Duce: Let’s try to hold one of those up so people can see that difference.

 00:15:50 Tom Timothy: yeah, you can see, you can see that both those are case hardened, but one has a whole lot  more color. Now, they can do more coloring with smaller, smaller amounts of the metal.

 00:15:59 Ryan Minor: SO, low wall and this is a high wall.

 00:16:01 Tom Timothy: Right. And the difference is just….

 00:16:03 Dennis Duce: And those are heavy and I am not going to hold them up there cantilever. So.

 00:16:06 Ryan Minor: So, what are the values of those two guns?  What would somebody expect to pay from somebody. I know you, you are very knowledgeable about guns, and you, I mean, you like to get a good deal like everybody else, right? And so…

 00:16:20 Tom Timothy: Oh yeah. Absolutely. The one in here I am going to get it as cheap as I can.

 00:16:24 Ryan Minor: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I am going to go the opposite and I am going to try to sell it to you for a nice expensive…

 00:16:30 Tom Timothy: That’s the fun of it!

 00:16:32 Ryan Minor: I don’t rip people off. I didn’t mean it that way. I am just here to make a buck man. I mean, don’t blame me for that. So what would one expect to pay if they saw that in a store like mine.

 00:16:48 Tom Timothy: Well, to be honest with you. I haven’t seen a gun like this in a pawn shop in Utah at all.

 00:16:53 Ryan Minor: One could show up any day now. You never know.

 00:16:55 Tom Timothy: They could, they could. Uh. It depends. It depends on what the gun is. You know, you can get, does it have special features about it? What is it?  What caliber? It depends, the price…

 00:17:10 Ryan Minor: All those things factor into the value of it.

 00:17:11 Tom Timothy: All those things factor in. It depends on how much a guy wants it. I am not going to tell you how much I paid for this gun, but it was quite a bit.

 00:17:18 Ryan Minor: So, what? Okay, now let’s back up a little bit. The gun, I don’t know which one it is. I think it’s the longer barrel one, the longer barrel Winchester, that one’s a high-wall, isn’t it?

 00:17:26 Tom Timothy: Yes.

 00:17:26 Ryan Minor: You said that that is one of how many?

 00:17:29 Tom Timothy: They only made 148 high-walls with thirty six inch barrels. I have three of them.

 00:17:35 Ryan Minor: What does a gun like that value at?

 00:17:36 Dennis Duce: You have three of the 148?

 00:17:37 Tom Timothy: Right. Right. In the Madis book. Well, Ryan. I am trying to answer your question.

 00:17:43 Ryan Minor: He is a true collector. I mean, that’s…

 00:17:46 Tom Timothy: What I am trying to explain to you..

 00:17:48 Ryan Minor: Right here on Pawn Boys Baby!

 00:17:50 Tom Timothy: This gun’s worth more than the other two because of the special features. It’s got the veneer tank sight. Now, those alone are, they can go anywhere from $600.00 to $1,000.00.

 00:18:01 Ryan Minor: Just that piece alone.

 00:18:02 Tom Timothy: Just the sight alone.

 00:18:03 Ryan Minor: Right, okay.

 00:18:03 Dennis Duce: Can they hold that up so the camera can see that sight up?

 00:18:09 Ryan Minor: That’s like Quigley Down Under style, right? Remember that movie?

 00:18:13 Dennis Duce: I do.

 00:18:14 Tom Timothy: That was actually a Sharp’s, though.

 00:18:15 Ryan Minor: Is that? Yeah.

 00:18:17 Tom Timothy: And it’s got special features. Now, this one was a special order. So this one I don’t know how rare it is. Pretty rare because somebody ordered this gun this way from the factory. It has got…It is lettered. You know what letters are? It has got a half octagon, half round barrel, and it’s got a double sit trigger. Can you see those two triggers there?

 00:18:36 Dennis Duce: Oh yeah.

 00:18:37 Tom Timothy: So how that works is you push this trigger forward, and then that makes that a very hair trigger. So, in order to fire that gun, all you have to do, you barely have to touch that and it shoots off.

 00:18:47 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:18:48 Dennis Duce: Let me hold that up too, so they can see that double trigger. That’s pretty cool.

 00:18:51 Ryan Minor: So, what would you value a gun like that at?

 00:18:55 Tom Timothy: If I was to sell it…

 00:18:56 Ryan Minor: Which you are not. They are not for sale right?

 00:18:58 Tom Timothy: I’m not going to sell it. I wouldn’t take less than $6,500.00 for this gun.

 00:19:01 Ryan Minor: Okay.

 00:19:02 Dennis Duce: And what about the other two. That’s the most valuable of the three. Correct?

 00:19:06 Tom Timothy: Yes, at this point. Because of the special features. You know, this is the .32-40 caliber which was a target cartridge. Let’s see. That’s why it’s got the globe sight on front. It’s probably $150.00 alone.

 00:19:21 Ryan Minor: Wow.

 00:19:21 Tom Timothy: So, is that a lot of money for this gun? Yes. Just depends, you know.

 00:19:29 Ryan Minor: Well, you know, it’s not…they’re not doing these guns any justice. When you are looking at them like through the camera, I mean, they are beautiful guns to look at. I mean.

 00:19:38 Dennis Duce: They’re gorgeous.

 00:19:40 Ryan Minor: And live, seeing over the camera is not doing them any justice. They are just like a piece of art. Really, really nice stuff. Now you have, you have, you collect other guns right. You said you collect old Marlin’s and old Winchester’s and you bought that gun from me. What was that gun, again?

 00:19:59 Tom Timothy: A Whitney Kennedy.

 00:20:00 Ryan Minor: Okay. What caliber was that again? I cannot remember.

 00:20:02 Tom Timothy: .44-40.

 00:20:03 Ryan Minor: Oh. Okay. And you still have that gun?

 00:20:05 Tom Timothy: Uh huh.

 00:20:06 Ryan Minor: Okay. So, That’s kind of in your arsenal still.

 00:20:08 Tom Timothy: This one is a .38-55, this one is a .32-40. Uh, value wise it is hard to come up with a value. You just have to know. They have got the blue book on gun values and it is a guide and you can go to it, but it is just a guide.

 00:20:22Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:20:22 Tom Timothy: I know one thing. In Utah guns are a lot cheaper than they are in other states.

 00:20:28 Ryan Minor: Oh yeah, I mean that’s…We’re a little behind the times here in Utah or something, right?

 00:20:30 Tom Timothy: Yeah, absolutely. Now, I’ve bought a gun. Go ahead, go ahead.

 00:20:37 Dennis Duce: Now, I have a question. Because you said this is based on a Browning patent and being a Utah guy, I know that, you know, Browning is a Utah company and a Utah person, and so, is there any increased value, do you think, in Utah, for collectible guns that tie back to Utah history like that?

 00:20:58 Tom Timothy: That’s an absolute great question and the answer to that is yes. When Browning sold the patent to Winchester, they went out and they started making high-walls. Now, they also had a retail store in Ogden, okay. Browning started in Illinois, I believe. They moved to Utah. They had a retail store and they did not manufacture guns. But when they would get any gun in, they would bring it in and the first thing they would do  was they would put their Browning stamp on it. Browning Brothers. There’s Browning Brothers Utah Territory, Browning Brothers Ogden, Utah, and the stamp alone makes the gun worth a whole lot more. There is a lot of people that go absolutely crazy on Browning stamped guns. They didn’t just stamp guns. They stamped everything that came into their store as a retail store. So, that makes a premium on guns. That is one of the added features on your Browning Gun. Now, I will also tell you that high-walls, Browning made 600 high-walls and  600 low-walls. If you have one of those, you have got a treasure. I don’t have one just because…

 00:21:57 Ryan Minor: You’re still looking for one.

 00:21:59 Tom Timothy: Well, no.

 00:22:00 Dennis Duce: Not willing to pay the premium.

 00:22:02 Tom Timothy: You’re talking $30,000.00 to $40,000.00 just for one.

 00:22:05 Ryan Minor: Tom,  if you ran across one of those, would you be a player in one of those?

 00:22:09 Tom Timothy: Uh, me myself, I don’t have the funds to do that. It depends. To me, collecting guns as far as value, is just a number. Okay. Does that make sense to you? Whether if the gun is worth $30,000.00 and you can get it for $20,000.00 you’d be a fool not to buy it.

 00:22:25 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:22:26 Tom Timothy: But you still have to have those funds to buy it though.

 00:22:27 Ryan Minor: Sure, sure.

 00:22:29 Tom Timothy: Big time guys, they are all bought up. Don’t get me wrong. There were two in the Las Vegas show that were for sale, and I know a guy that’s got two of them that he would sell. But you’re just talking a whole lot of money. So, to me as a collector, I cannot afford to do that. I would love to have a Browning gun, but to me, there are more important things to do with money, than pay that much money for a gun. I get as much satisfaction out of these.

 00:22:52 Ryan Minor: Right, right.

 00:22:53 Tom Timothy: Those Browning high-walls were pretty rustic. They were handmade, you know. They weren’t well defined like Winchester makes them.

 00:23:01 Ryan Minor: That’s it, you know in the beginning when I first met you Tom, I first I liked you from the beginning. There’s…

 00:23:08 Tom Timothy: I liked you, too.

 00:23:09 Ryan Minor: Sometimes people come into my store and, you know, it’s just like anything else. It’s like you just get a good vibe from them, and he’s always told me, Tom has always told me since the beginning, that he’s first and foremost a collector. And, he’s just, you know, satisfying his own, you know, his own desires as far as gun collecting goes. And, that’s why I like dealing with him, is because I know that if I sell him a gun, or if we’re trying to deal on a gun, he’s not necessarily you know, in it to, I mean he wants a good deal like anybody else, right? He’s collecting it. I mean, he wants to get the best deal he can, but it, the gun is going to a good home in other words.

 00:23:53 Tom Timothy: Well, if you’re looking to buy a gun for yourself, you’re willing to pay a little bit more.

 00:23:58 Ryan Minor: Right. That’s true. That’s true. But, he is always willing to help out with knowledge and I, in this position, I try to soak in knowledge, like,  you know people tell me things, I try to soak in knowledge. Just so I can hopefully pull it up in some future, you know.

 00:24:14 Tom Timothy: Well, my thinking of that is guns. I know values of old guns. You know, it’s just something that over time that I have learned, I have had to educate myself.  My son actually knows a whole lot more about guns like this than I do, because he likes to research and do all of that kind of stuff. That bores me. I just like the collecting. But, for a guy like you, you know, I like coming and talking guns with people. You know. And, because you have to have a general idea of what a lot of stuff is worth.

 00:24:42 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:24:43 Tom Timothy: I don’t know. I don’t know, and to be honest with you, could care less what the values of anything else that you have in your…

 00:24:49 Ryan Minor: No, you’ve got your focus. You’ve got just guns. Yeah.

 00:24:51 Tom Timothy: Except for your bike up there. I was going to make you an offer for that. But I like antiques.

 00:24:56 Ryan Minor: Like your guns, that’s not for sale.

 00:25:00 Dennis Duce: Yeah, that, you’d really need to look over that. We highlighted that on a show a few weeks ago.

 00:25:04 Tom Timothy: I had my eye on your show.

 00:25:06 Dennis Duce: That’ bike’s amazing.

 00:25:07 Tom Timothy: I like all antiques. I have old cars, I have that kind of stuff too.

 00:25:13 Ryan Minor: I think that they’re, whether you’re just, looking at the guns or the bike or, I like old coins as well. It’s especially the American stuff. It just, it just, you look at it and it tells a story.

 00:25:25 Tom Timothy: I inherited a big coin collection from my mom’s second husband and I went and sold it and bought some more guns. And I liked them, but…

 00:25:33 Ryan Minor: He’s got his priorities, right?

 00:25:34 Tom Timothy: They only did so much for me. And I am pretty knowledgeable about old coins.

 00:25:38 Ryan Minor: Right.

 00:25:39 Tom Timothy: I had to educate myself on them.

 00:25:41 Ryan Minor: I always think when I look at, you know, old guns, or the bike, or coins, or whatever it is, if they could talk, what kind of stories could they tell?

 00:25:50 Rhonda Green: I love that!

 00:25:53 Dennis Duce: What was that, Rhonda?

 00:25:54 Rhonda Green: I love that. I do the same thing. I always wonder where something came from, and who’s touched it.

 00:26:02 Ryan Minor: Oh yeah, that’s exactly right. That’s exactly right.

 00:26:06 Rhonda Green: I love that! Yay!

 00:26:08 Ryan Minor: See, you got the bug, just like we do. I mean, it’s…

 00:26:12 Rhonda Green: Oh yeah. The only difference is, I tear mine up and turn it into something else.

 00:26:21 Ryan Minor: Yeah, it’s fascinating.

 00:26:23 Rhonda Green: Boys, I’ve got another meeting to go to. So, I’m going to have to go now. But,

 00:26:27 Ryan Minor: Hey, Rhonda, thanks for your time!

 00:26:28 Rhonda Green: It was fun! Thanks for having  me.

 00:26:29 Dennis Duce: Hey, Rhonda, Ping Ryan and he will get you some watch parts.

 00:26:35 Ryan Minor: I’ve got a ton of watch parts, Rhonda. So, I’ll send them out to you.

 00:26:38 Rhonda Green: Hey, you’re the bomb! Awesome. Thank you!

 00:26:41 Ryan Minor: Thanks Rhonda.

 00:26:41 Rhonda Green: Have fun guys!

 00:26:42 Ryan Minor: Okay, bye bye. Thanks for joining us.

 00:26:44 Dennis Duce: Thanks for joining us.

 00:26:46 Ryan Minor: Um. Alright. Did you have any other questions for him?

 00:26:50 Dennis Duce: Well, you  had that one gun, he looked at it before the show while I was setting up equipment. But let’s have im review that on camera.

00:26:54 Ryan Minor: This is a gun. Yeah,  this is a gun that I purchased last week, and it also is a Winchester, although it is not in the same caliber as far as value that these, that these are. This is a shotgun.

00:27:06 Dennis Duce: Of course it is not the same caliber. It’s a shot gun.

00:27:09 Ryan Minor: This is a, Tom, tell us a little about this. It is a Winchester 1897, right?

00:27:13 Tom Timothy: An 1897 Pump Winchester Shot Gun with a hammer. Uh, desirable to cowboy shooters.

00:27:22 Dennis Duce: What is a cowboy shooter?

00:27:23 Tom Timothy: It is just a shooting group that they go out there and they shoot. You know, they have competitions and stuff like that, and I was talking to Ryan about this gun, they made a lot of these. He told me it was a riot gun. It’s not a riot gun. What it is, it is an 1897 pump shotgun that somebody has cut off for shooting purposes. There is a market for this, there is a good market for this. This is what the cowboy shooters are looking for. A lot of times they will buy one with the regular length barrel and they will cut them off so it shoots faster and, because they are getting you know, it is a competition shooting, is what it is. So, a cowboy shooter is going to come in and buy this gun from Ryan. To me, if it was not cut and in a little better shape, sorry, Ryan.

 00:28:03 Ryan Minor: That’s okay.

 00:28:04 Tom Timothy: I would be interested.

 00:28:05 Ryan Minor: I just buy them.

 00:28:07 Tom Timothy: Yeah. Uh, is that it’s…they are very, very good shotguns. Any time you’ve got a Winchester, it is a nice built gun.

 00:28:16 Ryan Minor: What…about what era does that come from? I mean, I know you can tell exactly if you looked at the serial numbers and such, but…

 00:28:24 Tom Timothy: Forties.

 00:28:25 Ryan Minor: 1940’s. I mean it tells a story as well. I mean. Neat gun, not quite as neat as what he has brought in, but…

 00:28:33 Tom Timothy: The patent is 1897, so you could have it from anywhere in between there and now.

 00:28:37 Ryan Minor: Okay. Yeah.

 00:28:41 Tom Timothy: But this…

 00:28:41 Ryan Minor: This one is for sale, by the way. Unlike the other ones, this one is for sale. So, if you…

 00:28:47 Tom Timothy: If you’re a cowboy shooter, come buy it…

 00:28:48 Ryan Minor: Well, you can buy it if you are not a cowboy shooter. But, I’ll sell it to anybody.

 00:28:52 Tom Timothy: Won’t sell his bike.

 00:28:55 Dennis Duce: Just for search purposes, I am going to say cowboy shooter one more time, because I am sure that key word did not come up enough in our show so far. Cowboy shooter.

 00:29:04 Ryan Minor: Cowboy shooter.

 00:29:05 Dennis Duce: There you go.

 00:29:07 Ryan Minor: Hey, Tom, I appreciate you coming in and joining us. It was great for you to bring these guns down. They are, they are a piece of American History.

 00:29:15 Tom Timothy: Of all the guns that I own, this one is my favorite one.

 00:29:17 Ryan Minor: That’s the favorite one.

 00:29:20 Dennis Duce: I like the low-wall. I just, the patina is what gets me on that one.

 00:29:25 Tom Timothy: Well…

 00:29:26 Dennis Duce: Is that…Did I call it the right thing?

 00:29:28 Tom Timothy: Patina is the aging process. It is case hardened.

 00:29:31 Dennis Duce: Okay.

 00:29:32 Tom Timothy: Color Case Hardened.

 00:29:33 Ryan Minor: So, it came from the factory looking like that.

 00:29:35 Tom Timothy: Yeah.

 00:29:35 Dennis Duce: Yeah.

 00:29:36 Tom Timothy: It was case hardened. Yeah, there’s people that would redo it, but you know, you can kind of always tell. I don’t buy reglued guns, or redone guns at all. They’re original, that’s how I…

 00:29:46 Ryan Minor: Oh  yeah.

 00:29:47 Tom Timothy: But I will say one thing about Marlin’s. If you, and I’ve got some, if you find a Marlin with case coloring, whatever Marlin did as far as, this is a Winchester case coloring. It’s got nice colors and stuff like that, But when you get a Marlin that was case colored, it puts this one to shame. I wish I probably would have brought one of those that I have now. It’s so much more bright.

 00:30:08 Ryan Minor: Is it just because of the process that they use?

 00:30:10 Tom Timothy: It’s the process that they use.

 00:30:11 Dennis Duce: It’s the way they heat it.

 00:30:13 Ryan Minor: Okay.

 00:30:13 Tom Timothy: It’s the way they do it, and their case coloring hardened frames on guns is absolutely beautiful when you find one.

 00:30:21 Dennis Duce: So, for a guy like me, who’s not caring a whole lot about the brand, but would think hanging one of these on my wall would be cool, but that coloring is important, you were saying the Marlins are going to be less money anyway..

 00:30:33 Tom Timothy: Less money anyway. But it depends.

 00:30:34 Dennis Duce: So, for a guy who likes the beauty of the gun, I probably should be looking for a Marlin if I wanted to hang something on the wall.

 00:30:42 Tom Timothy: Well, the case coloring on Marlin’s was more brilliant than it was on Winchester’s because I have one.

 00:30:48 Dennis Duce: Cool

 00:30:49 Tom Timothy: For example, this case hardened and so was this. So, you can see the difference between the two frames.

 00:30:56 Dennis Duce: Yep.

 00:30:58 Tom Timothy: This one was case hardened but it has faded. Sometimes the coloring will fade in time. This one has stayed nice. This gun has hardly ever been shot.

 00:31:07 Ryan Minor: Anyway, beautiful, beautiful guns. You know, you can clearly see your passion for them. And, that type of, to me that type of thing is neat to see. I love people that are passionate about an item and I appreciate you bringing them in and sharing them with us, a little bit of  your time and expertise and knowledge. Thanks.

 00:31:25 Tom Timothy: Thank you.

 00:31:25 Ryan Minor: Thank you very much.

 00:31:27 Dennis Duce: And we are going to pawn a couple more things. Yes, there is a lovely young lady over here I probably need to…

 00:31:31 Dennis Duce: You probably need to. So I am going to…

 00:31:34 Tom Timothy: Are you done with me now?

 00:31:35 Dennis Duce: I think we’re done. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

 00:31:38 Tom Timothy: I appreciate you. I enjoyed it. This was fun.

 00:31:40 Dennis Duce: And uh, I am going to go ahead and talk a little bit about some of the things that I have brought in for Ryan to take a look at. Now let me grab one of these that’s kind of odd. Okay. Here we go. Heat cable. Heat cable is something that is used by roofing contractors in cold areas and this is a brand new coil of Chromalox Heat Cable. Um, so this stuff would be about $5.00 a linear foot, there is neatly 1,000 feet of this stuff here, and I am hoping to ask Ryan what he will give me for this. I think in a second here, I am going to be asked to actually hand some guns over the counter. Okay to get those guns to you?

 00:32:40 Tom Timothy: Yeah.

 00:32:41 Dennis Duce: Alright, one more time, let’s grab these things. These things are heavy.

 00:32:45 Tom Timothy: Yep, they are. I wouldn’t want to be packing them around deer hunting.

 00:32:48 Dennis Duce: No, not at all.  Those are not guns you want to be packing anywhere. Okay,  hang on just a second. We’ve got somebody who is actually wanting to buy something. You okay doing this on camera?

 00:32:48 Customer (Mason): Sure.

 00:33:07 Dennis Duce: Alright. Cool. Let me get spun around here. You stay right there where you’re at, I’ll just spin the camera around. That’s a cool bike.

 00:33:27 Ryan Minor: What’s your name?

 00:33:27 Mason: I’m Mason.

 00:33:28 Ryan Minor: Mason, my name is Ryan.

 00:33:30 Mason: Are you the owner of this place?

 00:33:31 Ryan Minor: I am.

 00:33:33 Dennis Duce: Okay, let’s drop that down just a little bit. Hey Ryan, say something.

 00:33:39  Ryan Minor: Alright. Yep, we’re live.

 00:33:42 Dennis Duce: We’re live.

 00:33:42 Ryan Minor: Okay. So, Mason  just asked me, this is totally impromptu stuff and this is what I love about this show, is because we kind of sometimes work from the hip and kind of work with what we have. Anyway, Mason just asked  me what I am asking for this bike. Do you mind, Mason, what caught your eye about this bike?

 00:34:00 Mason: Uh, well, I’ve decided I wanted to start looking for old classic bikes to restore and then flip.

 00:34:07 Ryan Minor: Okay. So, what is it that you like about old bikes that fascinates  you?

 00:34:14 Mason: They are not very popular. You don’t see people riding them, and they are just, they are in people’s garages.

 00:34:20 Ryan Minor: Absolutely, absolutely. You could find treasures out there sometimes. Um, this is a, do you know about this bike at all?

 00:34:26 Mason: Uh, I just looked it up. It is a 1977 Schwinn Varsity. Um, I didn’t, that’s about what I know about it.

 00:34:35 Ryan Minor: So, this bike, it really brings back memories for me from my childhood. I never had one of these bikes, I wanted one of these bikes. I think it was a little bit out of my reach as far as what they cost. Um, but I knew people that had them, and these are tanks. They would put up with anything. Schwinn made an unbelievable bike. Um, this one happens to be in really good condition and it is all original. I think probably even down to the tape on the handlebars.

 00:35:08 Mason: Yeah.

 00:35:09 Ryan Minor: Um, and it looks to be, looks to be in really good condition. Now to answer your question, Mason, is I’ve got this bike on sale for um, $150.00. Um, I would probably let you  have it, I love, I love…How old are you?

 00:35:25 Mason: Uh, I just turned eighteen.

 00:35:26 Ryan Minor: Eighteen. Uh, so I love seeing people passionate about, especially, I am a bike guy myself. I love bikes. Um, so, I love people being passionate about this type of stuff and collect, especially at a young age like you. Um, I will sell you this bike for $125.00. Um, it’s all original, it’s in good condition, I think that you know, you take it home and give it a little TLC, I mean, it even has the reflectors still on it.

 00:35:51 Mason: Yeah.

 00:35:52 Ryan Minor: And those are original as well. You take it home and give it a little TLC, I think you’ve got some room in it. I have seen these go for as much as $250.00. If you get it in front of the right person. That’s probably,  probably the key on that one. Yep, so. $125.00 bucks and you could be the proud owner of a 19…What did you say? Was it a 197…

 00:36:11 Mason: 1977.

 00:36:12 Ryan Minor: 1977 Schwinn Varsity. So, should we get a close up of this, Dennis.

 00:36:17 Dennis Duce: I can’t move the camera too well.

 00:36:18 Ryan Minor: That’s fine, that’s fine.

 00:36:20 Dennis Duce: Here, I’ll come on and be your close up.  Let me take that bike here. Tell you how much of a tank it is too. Oh yeah, you’re not gonna want to jump this thing.

 00:36:33 Ryan Minor: Yeah, it is very, very neat, neat bike and you know, the good thing about these bikes, too, is you get into them fairly, if you are a collector, is you can get into them still pretty reasonable. I think there is going to come a point where they’re going to get quite a bit more expensive, especially this type of condition. Um. But, uh, neat, neat, neat stuff. Hey, Mason, I appreciate you joining us.

 00:36:57 Mason: yeah, thanks.

 00:36:59 Ryan Minor: We’ll uh, I mean, if you want it that’s fine, and if not, then, I’ve got other cool bikes too. Did you see my old…

 00:37:07 Mason: Pretty bike.

00:37:08 Ryan Minor: That one’s not for sale.

00:37:10 Dennis Duce: There’s a gold one back there as well. Alright. Are we going to be able to pawn this other stuff?

00:37:17 Ryan Minor: Uh, we  are running a little over time?

00:37:20 Dennis Duce: Uh, let’s see

00:37:22 Ryan Minor: More people you’ve got to get?

00:37:23 Dennis Duce: We’ve got about ten minutes? Let’s run this stuff real quick.

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00:37:29 Customer: How much do you want for your …?

00:37:31 Ryan Minor: Um, I am selling it for.. I don’t know if you are going to want to pay what I want on it. So, it’s 10 cents a round. $50.00 buck a box.

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00:37:45 Dennis Duce: Ryan, can you drop the camera down on the front side a little bit there? Actually we’re good. We’re good. Okay. Come back here, let’s run through the things that I’ve got real quick. So, I was telling the people at home, Heat Cable. This is 120 volt, um, Self regulating heat cable, stuff wholesales to a roofing contractor between $4.00 and $5.00.

00:38:28 Ryan Minor: So, when you put this stuff up, does it actually warm up?

00:38:32 Dennis Duce: The whole thing warms up.

00:38:33 Ryan Minor: Oh, okay.

00:38:33 Yeah, you connect it and it is cut to length cable, real commercial grade stuff. So, this roll would have cost someone, you know, well it’d cost me about $4,500.00. Um, is what I would have paid for back when I was a roofing contractor.

00:38:47 Ryan Minor: Is it? How much of it is used?

00:38:50 Dennis Duce: Uh, I took about 15 feet off of it.

00:38:52 Ryan Minor: Okay, so most of it is still there.

00:38:53 Dennis Duce: Yeah, most of it is still there. It actually has the footage on it. I have to look that up. But, uh, so, would you take something like this?

00:39:02 Ryan Minor: Well, you know, my motto is, I will look at anything once. And, do research on it, and see if it has value to me. Now, I have never. You know I always say in this business, if you stay in this business long enough you are going to see everything at least one time, right? Um, so, this is my first time that somebody  has brought something like this in. I don’t know a lot about it. So, I would probably go to the computer to see if I could find an example of some that has sold and how much.

00:39:31 Dennis Duce: Why don’t we come back next week.

00:39:32 Ryan Minor: Okay.

00:39:33 Dennis Duce: You do your research and we will talk about this heat cable.

00:39:35 Ryan Minor: Yeah, I’d love to, I’d love to. The motto of the story is, is don’t be afraid to bring anything in. Because I will, I will look at it at least once and try to, try to find value in it. So.

00:39:50 Dennis Duce: Boy, that would have been loud. I just dropped that on top of the…So, this is an Epson Projector.

00:39:57 Ryan Minor: This looks in pretty nice projector.

00:39:59 Dennis Duce: Yeah, it’s a nice one. I don’t know what the heck this thing is, though. Let’s see. Inside the bag. I don’t think it actually belongs to it. Yeah, this is a nice one. It’s adjustable. It does that auto…

00:40:11 Ryan Minor: How come you are getting rid of it?

00:40:12 Dennis Duce: Correction. I don’t ever  use it. I used to use it a lot when I’d go do presentations, but more and more, the places I go do presentations already have them, and I have three big screen TV’s at home, so I don’t think I’ll ever actually set it up to project TV, though it is a good enough quality one that you could run it, the DPI is good enough that you could run it as.

00:40:35 Ryan Minor: Now, is this, Does this have HDMI capabilities, or HD capabilities? It doesn’t look like it.

00:40:40 Dennis Duce: No.

00:40:41 Ryan Minor: So, something like that, that’s going to definitely affect the value of it. Um, most people are looking, especially if they are running a TV, they want to run a projector, the TV through the projector; they are looking for HDMI capabilities. Doesn’t make this one bad. It just makes it worth a little bit less money. I mean, you might expect, on something like that, without looking it up, it is probably worth anywhere from $75.00 to $100.00 now.

00:41:05 Dennis Duce: Retail.

00:41:06 Ryan Minor: Retail yeah.

00:41:06 Dennis Duce: So you’d pay me what for this?

00:41:08 Ryan Minor: Uh, you know, it is in great shape. I might pay you $40.00 to $50.00 for that, that type of deal. And see if I can make a few bucks online with it.

00:41:16 Dennis Duce: It’s yours.

00:41:17 Ryan Minor: Okay.

00:41:18 Dennis Duce: And then that hot box over there, did you get a chance to take a peek at that thing?

00:41:22 Ryan Minor: You know what, I looked briefly at it. I don’t uh, I don’t, that particular brand and model, I am not sure just looking at it initially I am not sure what it is worth. I know that um, you know heaters definitely have got a seasonal factor.

 00:41:37 Dennis Duce: And  you’re at the end of the season.

 00:41:39 Ryan Minor: And so that is going to obviously affect what you are getting for it. Um. I mean, you know, a month ago or so, a month and a half ago when it was like really, really, cold you could have charged whatever you wanted, because people…Thanks Tom.

 00:41:53 Dennis Duce: Thanks Tom.

 00:41:54 Ryan Minor: But, you couldn’t even find them new anywhere. So, I am not sure about that one, either. It’s something I probably have to do some quick research on, and…

 00:42:02 Dennis Duce: Bring it back for next week.

 00:42:02 Ryan Minor: Absolutely. Absolutely.

 00:42:05 Dennis Duce: Good deal. That’s, I think this week’s Pawn Boys.

 00:42:08 Ryan Minor: Fun. It was fun. I liked it.

 00:42:09 Dennis Duce: Yeah, we had some comments that it was quite educational so, um, appreciate that. And, uh, so, anyway. Appreciate you guys checking in. And, until next week.

 00:42:26 Ryan Minor: Thanks for coming you guys.

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